diff --git a/libs/ardour/ardour/region.h b/libs/ardour/ardour/region.h
index 615bce86d6..03cdf05ead 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/ardour/region.h
+++ b/libs/ardour/ardour/region.h
@@ -107,7 +107,7 @@ public:
 	/** Note: changing the name of a Region does not constitute an edit */
 	bool set_name (const std::string& str);
 
-	PBD::PropertyList derive_properties (bool with_times = true) const;
+	PBD::PropertyList derive_properties (bool with_times = true, bool with_envelope = false) const;
 
 	const DataType& data_type () const { return _type; }
 	Temporal::TimeDomain time_domain() const;
diff --git a/libs/ardour/filter.cc b/libs/ardour/filter.cc
index 7d628a7849..fb49601234 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/filter.cc
+++ b/libs/ardour/filter.cc
@@ -133,7 +133,7 @@ Filter::finish (boost::shared_ptr<Region> region, SourceList& nsrcs, string regi
 	}
 	results.clear ();
 
-	PropertyList plist (region->derive_properties ());
+	PropertyList plist (region->derive_properties (true, false));
 
 	plist.add (Properties::start, std::numeric_limits<timepos_t>::min());
 	plist.add (Properties::name, region_name);
diff --git a/libs/ardour/region.cc b/libs/ardour/region.cc
index b0d78eb34d..62afa7cc5e 100644
--- a/libs/ardour/region.cc
+++ b/libs/ardour/region.cc
@@ -33,6 +33,7 @@
 #include "pbd/types_convert.h"
 #include "pbd/xml++.h"
 
+#include "ardour/audioregion.h"
 #include "ardour/debug.h"
 #include "ardour/filter.h"
 #include "ardour/playlist.h"
@@ -1430,7 +1431,7 @@ Region::_set_state (const XMLNode& node, int version, PropertyChange& what_chang
 }
 
 PropertyList
-Region::derive_properties (bool with_times) const
+Region::derive_properties (bool with_times, bool with_envelope) const
 {
 	PropertyList plist (properties ());
 	plist.remove (Properties::automatic);
@@ -1438,6 +1439,9 @@ Region::derive_properties (bool with_times) const
 	plist.remove (Properties::left_of_split);
 	plist.remove (Properties::valid_transients);
 	plist.remove (Properties::whole_file);
+	if (!with_envelope) {
+		plist.remove (Properties::envelope);
+	}
 	if (!with_times) {
 		plist.remove (Properties::start);
 		plist.remove (Properties::length);